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    Greg and Beth

    the political and personal musings of two
    mountaineers living in west-central Florida
     
    More Helmke-isms Comment
    Gregory Morris, 3/8/08 9:47:48 am
    From this article, Mr. Helmke states that "itís harder to buy Sudafed than it is to buy a gun". First of all, he makes a great point that sudafed regulations are stupid (GDC has an interesting WoD/WoG comparison here.)

    The point is though, he's wrong. To buy a gun, even in a gun-friendly state, you have to submit to a local/state/federal background check. That is after filling out a long form with all of your personal information, and promising that you haven't done a huge list of things that would make it illegal for you to own a gun. Then, the check may or may not be "instant", depending on the whims of the system. If the check is put on hold, you have at least 3 days to wait. Here in the "Gun-shine State", you have to wait 3 days in many counties before you can pick your gun up anyway.
    Is it that hard to get sudafed?

    The article finishes with Helmke's statement "I want to get this problem solved."

    My question for Paul is: What constitutes "solved"? What is going to solve the "gun problem"? How many laws is it going to take before 9 year olds no longer get shot by criminals? Is there a line you can draw? I want to know what that line is. What set of gun laws do you want passed which will solve the problem of gun violence. Give me a list, accompanied by a statement that says "once this is the national gun policy, we can stop because everything will be ok."

    Give me that list, and I'll let you borrow my perpetual motion machine and my herd of avian-oinkers.

    [Comments are closed after a month.]

    Re: More Helmke-isms
    Nick, 3/8/08 3:19:23 pm
    When you outlaw sudafed, only outlaws have sudafed...heh. Yeah. Is there a monthly limit on household gun purchases? Because there is one on the good kind of sudafed. So maybe that's what he meant. *checks magic 8-ball TM* "Outlook not so good."
    Re: More Helmke-isms
    Gregory Morris, 3/8/08 9:44:43 pm
    No "household" limit on gun purchases, but some states do have "one gun a month" laws.
    Re: More Helmke-isms
    TheGunGeek, 3/11/08 8:31:04 am
    Well, to give him a little benefit of the doubt (not that he deserves it) in most states you can still technically buy a long gun from someone over the phone via a classified ad and have them ship it to you without ever meeting or going through a background check. Granted, that's going to be hard, since most people will want at least some sort of proof that you can legally buy the thing.

    Not to mention that you can look through the same ads and just drive over to someone else's house and buy a gun, long or short, without even showing ID. And again, most people are at least going to want to verify who you are, but if you look old enough there are people that just don't care and will sell it to you without that.

    I'm pretty sure there are no people putting classifieds in the paper selling Sudafed.
    Re: More Helmke-isms
    Gregory Morris, 3/11/08 8:37:14 am
    Well, part of the reason nobody is advertising for sudafed is that anyone who wants to buy some can buy some, as long as they jump through the hoops. Also, meth makers have simply switched to other sources for the chemicals they need.

    I haven't seen many people (even BB/newspaper sales) who will do a completely blind firearm sale. I purchased one I found on an ad once recently, and he insisted we swap IDs (even CWPs) to verify everything was on the up-and-up. Most local private gun sales I've seen require an ID at minimum and asking for a CWP isn't uncommon.
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